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Diogenes of NJ

Missed it in 2012. A pleasure to read in 2016. Thanks for the re-post.

- Kyon


Enjoyed the read. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

ron snyder

Thanks for the repost. I either missed the original post or just plain forgot what I read (very possible).

Excellent perspective. I recently had a discussion with a friend on WWII. His take was that the Allies winning was inevitable. I cannot think of any historic event that was inevitable, and wars often hinge on multiple points thru its course that could turn the war one way or another.

Kudos on not ingesting the crayons Sir!

Paul L. Quandt

Great post. My first time reading it.

In addition to the two factors you stated, food and the twice and a half; the truck, 1/4 ton ( commonly known as the jeep ), and railroad engines were very instrumental in the Soviet drives westward.

No one, with the sense God gave a lemming, would mount a ground invasion of Russia. I don't think that even the Chinese have enough people to pull that off.

Paul L. Quandt

P.S. Most of my best stories, when I was managing editor of "Military", were written by U.S. Marines. Both active duty and no-longer-on-active duty.


NaCly Dog

Good writeup, URR. I don't see how I missed it back in 2012.

The Roosevelt administration gave Russia whatever they wanted, including materials for atomic research. By the statute, about ⅓ of this aid was illegal. Some was paid for, but the lease payments were written off for nano-pennies on the dollar.

There is an interesting list at http://tinyurl.com/gufb97b.

About a quarter of Lend Lease aid was in the form of munitions and 75 percent consisted of industrial equipment, raw materials and food. Radio equipment, telephone equipment and lots of raw materials for specialized manufacturing was a big help.

Diogenes of NJ


And the Merchant Marine losses on the run to Murmansk were horrendous.


"Merchant Marine losses on the run to Murmansk were horrendous."

Still, 93% of the ships sent got through.

The real losses were "virtual" - goods that did not arrive in 1942-43 and summer 1944 because convoys were not sent.


I would say one should turn #1 on its head. Germany was only capable of winning a short war against the USSR.

Consider that every victory Germany had enjoyed up until then took 8 weeks or less to process, and they had time to recoup afterwards. One could even say the lackluster performance of the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain was due to little or no recuperation after the Battle of France.

The problem with the USSR was that after 10 weeks there was no victory, hence no opportunity for recuperation. The German Army was stuck in a meat-grinder of its own making.

Add to that the terrible intel Germany had before the invasion, and it's no wonder they thought they could beat the Soviets. I recall reading how flummoxed the German generals were when new Soviet divisions showed up like magic. They had no idea there were that many Russians.



I agree. The Wehrmacht had about 12-16 weeks of combat in which to defeat the Soviets. Had they taken or surrounded Moscow, captured the war industries, and caused a fall of the government (if not capturing it), they would have done so.

When they didn't, their chances dropped precipitously.


Had the Germans captured or killed Stalin, the rest of the Soviet government would have been at a loss for awhile. They would have had no idea what to do, and the sudden loss of the pressure Stalin exerted on them probably would have confused them, then resulted in a power struggle when the realized what had happened.

None of the axis powers had the ability to win a long war against the US or Soviet Union once they got into gear. Yamamoto knew this, but Hitler was arrogant and stupid enough to think he could. Declaring war on the US was the biggest tactical mistake he made. He should have bent every effort to keep the US out of the European war.

Since crayons are non-toxic, it's OK to eat them. Just realize that the orange crayon does not taste orange, and the purple one isn't grape.

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